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#NickNack, the Court Houses follow their own retention files for original documents. However, keep in mind that since 1992, most files are on a computer system and information is not removed from there. Also there was reference to CanLi..which does show some court cases..Not all. Another thing people need to keep in mind that USA Customs will access is the Internet. If your case was interesting enough, there maybe a historical news article somewhere on Google. These are extremely difficult to remove. No one knows what access USA Customs has, but I would assume if they want to know about you..they will find out.
Once you are fingerprinted by police for a aaud crime, the information is kept in 3 databases, the municipal or provincial court (each province has their own rules), the arresting police force and CPIC, the national database.
CBP doesn't have access to court databases. However, they could if they wished too. They don't really have the time to file a request unless you are a fugitive fleeing across the border and they stop you. The information can take a long time to be given to US authorities.
CBP has access to several other databases such as APIS (the no flight list), gang members database and Interpol. This information is shared between most countries.
Once you get a pardon, you can request for the courthouse to destroy the information they have on you depending on the province.
There is an online database known as CanLi which makes all court cases visible to the public.
I didn't use fake profiles. All I do is come here time to time. I have continuously stated this in my past interactions. I refrain from posting because you have taken over. Nobody over here can dethrone you. You and Ken Scott were having a blast going at each other that you lost all respect. When Ken Scott finally called it quits, you had the clear path. You must feel empowered having your own little kingdom on the Web.
You have to admit that you are like a used car salesman. You claim you are an expert but when the real questions are thrown at you, you don't really have an answer. You ask for Michelle. You both work together to siphon up potential customers. You are running a good show together. I am a threat to you and everyone will agree. Newcomers who truly need help have no other alternatives other than you two.
Here's something that people don't appreciate. My knowledge may be different than yours. Saying to the people that you are correcting and arguing with me only reinforces the fact that you view me as a threat. Ken Scott kept telling you the same thing. At some point, you claimed he was my buddy when I never met this Ken Scott. You are delirious and like to play the blaming game.
Eventually, what I say in different words is repeated by you in other words. The information we both provide is the same. Our common objective is to help. I do it without asking money, you make a living out of this.
Now stop being delirious. Those fake profiles may have been a ploy to once again reinforce the idea that you are an expert. When the experiment went down south, you claimed I was the one behind it. Genius. Notice how you used my username as well.
I am starting to think that you have very bad intentions. You are not someone I wish to meet and we are just turning around in circles.
I will once again wish you a happy weekend. Don't expect another response and I know you will try your hardest to make me look like a fool again. We have become accustomed to your silly games and antics.
You cannot seriously think what we wrote was the same thing. If you were "thinking" what I said but wrote what you wrote...they are not the same.
Please stop the antics. I don't mean your long winded answers, I mean the other stuff. People are missing questions because you are posting fake profiles, so just agree to disagree, and people can decide which advice they would like to follow.
A couple of things.
1. "John Rogers ." is not me. Its HatsBootsHatsBoots on a fake profile.
2. I charge $650 which includes taxes and Fingerprints (listed on my website) not what was listed here.
Just do fingerprints after your Pardon/Record Suspension. (Pardon if you are an Ontario or BC resident and were convicted before March 2012, Record Suspension otherwise) The check will come back "no record existing". You are then clear. Beware of misinformation to make you feel vulnerable. If pardons were suddenly ineffective I would have so many former pardon clients needing waivers I could retire a very rich man. It hasn't happened yet.
This story is full of inaccuracies.
This could not be further from the truth;
"“There are a number of dated convictions, probably on paper, that will predate the current operating system used and were dormant in a filing cabinet somewhere. As soon as that gets updated … it goes from invisible to visible because previously there would have been no entry.”
Saunders says the issue has been common knowledge on the U.S. side for a long time.
“They told me that years ago they would laugh and say ‘Someone gets a pardon, they think they’re so smart,’ that it hides the record. But it actually reveals it. All that a pardon does it that it seals your court records. It’s still on CPIC.”
The people who perpetuate this are usually Homeland Security, who hates Pardons, and Immigration Lawyers, who want you to avoid pardons and keep doing Waivers.
HatsBootsHatsBoots does not know what he is talking about, so please ignore his advice.
“You can request a vulnerable persons check at the arresting police force. This will show all your negative police interactions. Vulnerable record checks are hard to obtain. Most police forces will object unless you provide them with sufficient information that you are applying to work with vulnerable people, ex: children and seniors.”
Totally incorrect. A vulnerable sector check is done when you are going to work with vulnerable persons. To obtain one you simply need a request form the agency that is going to have you work/volunteer for them. Michelle can back me up on this. So could a simple search of any police website on the internet.
This is also partially misleading;
“For the FPS number, there is no true way to obtain that information. The only way to destroy it is through a file destruction. Remember though, once you obtain a pardon your FPS number, in principle, will get removed.
The only way to be safe is to get a file destruction which the local police force might object to. Each police agencies have their own rules. There is no legislation for file destructions. For minor charges like weed possession, stealing or vandalism, they will likely grant it.”
A file destruction ONLY applies if you were NOT convicted. You cannot do this if you get a pardon. The record is only SEALED, and will be unsealed if the person is re-convicted.
This is ridiculous;
“If you still have questions, a certain John Rogers will surely try to defend himself by calling me illiterate or stupid.”
I have never said either of those things about HATS. Simply put, he is a guy who likes to portray himself as an expert because he did a waiver for his girlfriend once, and has internet access. Sometimes his answers are accurate, if a bit long winded and full of moralizing. Sometimes his answers are incorrect. I can't sit here and let him mislead people just because he is the "Cliff Claven" of this forum.
Its a bit ridiculous of him to feel morally superior because my JOB is waivers, and his HOBBY is waivers. Michelle and I are both experts because we do this for a living and we do fingerprints for many different applications, not just pardons and waiver. Michelle has also done work in which she had access to CPIC so her insights on the topic come from experience, not idle speculation.
@HatsBootsHatsBoots a few of us that are regulars are pretty sure your the Bomba guy and the one putting up fake profiles. Please refrain.
Correct, once you are granted a pardon and you have your fingerprints done, the information shown will indicate *no record found*. A pardoned record search can be obtained through the privacy act and will indicate that you received a pardon. You can request a vulnerable persons check at the arresting police force. This will show all your negative police interactions. Vulnerable record checks are hard to obtain. Most police forces will object unless you provide them with sufficient information that you are applying to work with vulnerable people, ex: children and seniors.
For the FPS number, there is no true way to obtain that information. The only way to destroy it is through a file destruction. Remember though, once you obtain a pardon your FPS number, in principle, will get removed.
The only way to be safe is to get a file destruction which the local police force might object to. Each police agencies have their own rules. There is no legislation for file destructions. For minor charges like weed possession, stealing or vandalism, they will likely grant it.
@HatsBootsHatsBoots thank you for your reply. I'm waiting for my record suspension to be granted soon. My only concern is traveling to the states because I have so many friends and family living there and I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of life events.
I've read many posts on this forum and I can tell John Rogers is trying to help. He has been in this business a long time and I appreciate all the advice he provides here. It is difficult to find honest expert advice and that information is valuable. If he charges money to help people, I'm all for it - it's worth it. So I thank you and him for all your contributions to this forum.
What I really want to know Is if there is any definitive way to know what comes up on CPIC after I've got my record suspension. I mean, let's say I got my record suspension today. Then I have to do another record check (specifically for a pardon as that is the most detailed check I assume) and then it should come back clear, right? Now how can I know that there are no side notes or ghost entries, as you put it, embedded within my record? This whole process is frustrating...
I am an expert and charge a flat rate of 1250$ + 585$ USD which is the cost of the waiver.
Yes, I provide a service just like you have a regular job. I must be paid.
I don't see a problem with that. People have to live with their mistakes and they are criminals.
It's quite tricky.
Getting a pardon or record suspension means that in theory your FPS number gets removed. US customs doesn't have access to pardoned records. However, many times ghost entries are left behind in the system if the pardon is not done right. Government employees are human after all and they make mistakes. Unfortunately, often like any other jobs.
Other situations happen like discharges, peace bonds, acquittals and dropped charges. These are called non-convictions. In discharges the record is removed automatically after a year or 3 years for absolute and conditional discharges respectivally since 1992. For peace bonds, generally a year. For the other outcomes, there is a non guilty record that stays until the person reaches 125 years. The FPS number doesn't get destroyed.
US customs can see this number and ask you questions. They know you were arrested at some point even though it didn't lead to an actual conviction. Answering no to their famous * have you ever been arrested?*, will get you denied for lying to government officials, a serious offence.
The only way to destroy an FPS entry is with a file destruction. This can only be done at the arresting police force. They have the final say. It it's very hard to get one. Most police agencies want a certain number of crime free years before they consent and the charges have to be minor like stealing, weed possession or vandalism. This means having no negative police interactions even traffic tickets.
The system is pretty disgusting. It's a good thing that more and more journalists are making these stories public. This might force a change. Unfortunately, you have some posters here that run private waiver services claiming they help people when in reality they charge double or triple the actual cost of a waiver. They will come up with all kinds of lame excuses for people to use their services.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
If you still have questions, a certain John Rogers will surely try to defend himself by calling me illiterate or stupid. I believe he might be able to get you a waiver for 500$ more than the actual cost. This is actually not the right place to get the most accurate answers because people are competing to get your money.
To conclude, I do waivers on the side but I choose to remain anonymous. I truly do this to help people, everyone deserves a second chance. I don't need the extra cash. I also believe it's better to do waivers on your own.
Hello all, hope no one minds me posting this here as I am having trouble starting a new thread as before.
Just thought I would ask the experts about the below article. It appears the FPS number or some kind of "note" is still visible in CPIC after a record suspension is granted. Any recent feedback from your clients or personal experiences?
Pardons Canada strikes again.
A person came to our office for fingerprints. Pardons Canada Client. Paid almost $700.
He got an absolute discharge....last week. We always ask for details when its Pardons Canada so we told him NOT to do fingerprints (waste of money) and go get his money back. Another guy who looked online but did not look at any REVIEWS online.
I also got a look at the fingerprinting places Pardons Canada sends people to. In Brampton, its only one, way in the Southwest corner, a UPS store actually I had never heard of. None of the other 4 places in Brampton (including us) made the list. In Regina it is the Commisionaires. Take that as a compliment Michelle. Pardons Canada absolutely avoids anyone who tells the client the truth.
In Toronto they only have 1 place listed....out of at least 20 options. Most of the places nationally are Commissionaires. They must not say anything when Pardons Canada sends in someone to be plucked clean.
It is sad. Pardons Canada makes the client do most of the work (They literally do nothing but the court documents) and charges some of the biggest fees in the business. For waivers, they do shoddy work but make the client write the personal letter, and they ALWAYS tell them "its fine" no matter what they write.
Just to legitimize themselves they also use the G-28 and have some lawyer at a different location claim to be the one who did the waiver. He has a completely different address listed and I know he never sees the file.
That place needs a "Marketplace Investigation". Andrew and his wife have no morals or scruples.
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