@Kscott

I am confused about what you do and do not support. On the one hand you are telling us it is irresponsible to open for 4 hours a week, then your defending the practice of being open 7 days a week.

So your only in opposition to whatever I do?

Anyways, your posts are as usual half-truths, so not worth addressing. You can't be accredited for fingerprinting. If you could, you would do it. That indicates either a criminal record, residency issues (my guess) or credit issues. All the major players are dying to get more affiliates. My advice is always the same, steer clear of anyone not accredited place that cannot fingerprint, they have an issue. Taking ink prints and converting them to digital later? Why? The prints are more likely to end in rejection and its all these extra steps (and costs) which i bet the client gets dinged for and doesn't even realize it. This is why not fingerprinting is inconvenient, and a huge red flag.

As for taking payments during this crisis, I absolutely will not. We don't do "monthly payments" in most cases, but there is no way I would take a monthly payment for something that is barely moving. When everyone is up and running and clients can afford it, then I will get the money owed. But people are hurting right now, and there is no way I am going to assume paying me takes priority over rent or food.

My priority is being safe, and making this as easy for my clients as possible.

I think that it is a risk being open and seeing people during this pandemic. I also do not think this is even allowed under Ontario law but I could be mistaken. My people stoppled the home visits a day or 2 after I made that post. I just made the comment because I thought you had mentioned our home visits but you also admit to going in and currently still doing passport photos and prints(as needed) for people during this pandemic. I can say that there are good protocals that can be used to protect yourself in these cases.

Btw there are ways to still operate 7 days a week and not see people. One example is that we have people signup for our webinars on these border crossing topics. The purpose is to possibly help them to avoid not needing a us entry waiver depending on the circumstances. Also to help them get successfully cleared if they wish to do their own to save money. A lot of people are home now and need things to occupy their time. They just click on the red links on www.usentrywaiverservices.com home and sign up. So we are still helping people and do not have to actually see them in person.

Plus our smaller fish clients are paying us monthly and we do not have to see them. We don't have to actually see people in person now that the guys have put certain protocols in place during their last visits. Also note that it is different with us since we have methods to deal with this problem.

You can actually do the same thing by having your people pay you monthly so that their packets are ready for submission once the border reopens. It is a win-win situation for both and will still allow you to remain open and safe but not have to see people. It will also reduce the likelyhood that you have to go in for prints since those can always be done at the end when the packets are ready and the pandemic is under control.

I also do not want to judge since I do not know your circumstances. I still think it is very risky taking prints from people since you have to actually meet them and the person could be an Asymptomatic Shredder of the virus. I suppose if you are wearing a full bubble suit with an oxygen tank then you are 100% safe.

I ask you to reconsider what you are doing if you are indeed meeting people for prints and photos. At the very least have strict infection control techniques in place. My Surrey fingerprint associate has temporarily shut down due to the Covid-19 risk.

We have been going in once a week. Clear mail. respond to emails, and because citizenship people cannot seem to find anyone to do a photo, we have done a couple of "passport style" pictures. We will take fingerprints during that day but we only are open 12-4 and since all the fingerprint people in the GTA seem to think they are an essential service (they are not) fingerprints are open. One place is open 7 days a week and says he stills sees 10 people a day.

Part of me wants everyone like this closed down, because there is no way you are open 7 days a week and are able to prevent this spread. This guy is going to get someone killed. Part of me also doesn't want to judge him since I don't know his circumstance. My choice is to be open 4 hours a week (I always take calls no matter what 24/7) but we may stop this as well since we want to be part of the solution, not the problem. In a 4 hour period, disinfecting everything and staying as safe as possible is exhausting. There is no way businesses can be doing this even 5 days a week.

I also wish to add that people do not have to be an actual accredited business to take fingerprints themselves as long as they are taking them as an agent on

behalf of an accredited fingerprint agency. The agents have to pass the background check but themselves do not have to be an actual accredited agency. I

know this for a fact because we have a staff member that went through the background check process to take prints by being under the umbrella of our

associate that is an accredited fingerprint agency. This member qualifies since he already has a security clearance from the Canadian Gov't anyway.

He is on standby for when we decide to go in that direction. He is essentially waiting for the green light from us and is already set up to do ink and roll prints.

These prints will then be digitized by our associate and electronically submitted to the RCMP. Again, we really do not post updates here since they are on our

FB business pages and website so some people here will not be aware of what we are currently doing or offering. We are not quite ready to move in the

fingerprint direction just yet but are taking orders from people needing prints and referring them to our associate for now.

Well,

1. 1 this is old news now since they stopped the home visits now that the pandemic is worse. We do not post daily updates here since they are posted on our FB business pages. Anyway, and

Plus there is no guarantee that the border will reopen May 4th since the government can always extend the deadline based on the severity of the pandemic. Also, I could be mistaken but I thought I read a post from you that you will still go into office now to see a client for fingerprinting? I could be mistaken but this would also not be deemed an essential service?

As you can see by my earlier post, they stopped taking waivers on March 18 and they PLAN to open again on May 4rth, but that is making a lot of assumptions.

I posted actual emails from Homeland Security.

@Kscott your people CANNOT make in home visits, as you are not an essential service, and you aren't even accredited to fingerprint, so what would your people even be taking this risk for?

My guys are still doing home visits on waiver cases for only certain clientele and under certain conditions that
do not put their safety in peril.

In Ontario sending someone to a home would actually be illegal right now (your a non essential service) so I am puzzled at your comment. ALL home visits make this WORSE. Tell your "guys" to STAY HOME.

On March 18, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services temporarily suspended in-person services at its field offices, asylum offices, and application support centers (ASCs) to help slow the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19). USCIS offices will begin to reopen on May 4 unless the public closures are extended further. Employees in these offices are continuing to perform mission-essential services that do not require face-to-face contact with the public.

@Marcus.. this is a better response..no..I do not think compensation or extensions will be made to extend an existing waiver due to this crises..I have had clients receive waivers they never used due to various circumstances..health..new baby..job loss..ect..and once the waiver expired..it is done..no extensions..

@Marcus.. 5 years..it was 3rd renewal..I finally spoke with a human at Regway..MT POE..and waiver applications r not being accepted at this time..in response to ur concerns..u would not lose anytime as a new applicant now..where people r going to struggle is current waiver expiring soon..they simply cannot apply for renewals..so they will not be able to travel until they get a new one..which right now is a mute point..as no one is traveling..not sure this answered ur question..but hope it helped..

@Michelle How long was the waiver granted for (1 or 5 years) that your client got? And do you know if they will make any sort of allowance for the border being shutdown possibly for months in terms of the timeline of the waiver being viable to use? Would really suck to get a one year waiver but lose 4-5 (if not longer) months off of it.

Hi All, sorry, I have no updated for you regarding accepting waiver paperwork, as I am unable to speak to a "live" person at the Borders around here. I do know that a client received his waiver dated March 16, he had delivered it early January...if I hear of anything more, I will update you..Thanks!

@Magnus This very thing happened to one of my clients yesterday. She received a 1 year waiver and this question was posed to me. I told her that I am going to assume that CBP will not extend any waivers in terms of giving you a break on the borders being closed. I am going to assume that their philosphy is that they were only following orders to shut down the borders and the financial cost is on the client to ensure that his/her waiver is unexpired. Essentially(their words), if you lose money then it is not the fault of CBP. Again, this is only an assumption. It would be nice though if they were to credit the person the extra days on the waiver for when the border is shut down.

@KScott While I'm sure they're still adjudicating waivers I was just curious what anyone's experience was here in terms of POEs accepting new waiver applications at this time. Of course it makes sense that they wouldn't accept any new waiver applications at this time.

As for the adjudication of waivers I'm curious that if (for example) one receives a ONE year waiver in June but the borders are shut down until September or October (once again using an arbitrary timeline as an example) doesn't that cut a few months off the ACTUAL time of their waiver? So in essence one could pay a bunch of money for a waiver, it gets approved for ONE year, but can't be used for five months.

Do you anticipate any of this is taken into account or will be by the adjudicators?

@Magnus I called Aldergrove on March 18 to ask this question and they said that they would be still taking them up to Mar 20th or so. They recommended that I call back the following Monday. On March 23th, I called Aldergrove, Peach Arch, Victoria Clipper, and YVR to obtain additional clarification on this question. Peach Arch told me that they are absolutely not doing any biometrics or waivers until further notice. The other 3 borders told me that they are not taking any waiver applications and do not want the people coming down at all because of Carona.

They are still adjudicating the applications that were submitted Mar 20 and prior. We have some people that still have REF's that have to be submitted at a POE. Most were able to get them submitted before the 21st. So yes they are still adjudicating waiver applications already received by CBP.

@KScott @J Rogers @Michelle

Waivers may be still be adjudicated as per my understanding here but are POEs accepting waiver applications currently? I understood they were not taking applications at this time.

Can you clarify this? Thanks.

Yes waivers are for sure getting granted/adjudicated since they have not actually stopped processing them.

The adjudication standards have not changed under this crisis. We are still open for business and are

processing cases in prep for the day that the border reopens.

My guys are still doing home visits on waiver cases for only certain clientele and under certain conditions that

do not put their safety in peril.

Waivers are still getting granted. I have had 5 in the last few days, all from early February, all were granted for 5 years, including one I was shocked at.

2016 Fraud over. We were trying only because the fee might go up, and the person had been rejected before. 5 years. I am THRILLED (and obviously the client is as well)

Are they being more lenient these days?

Please post any waivers that are granted so we can compare.

These latest ones all took less than 60 days (about 5-6 weeks)

I am closed during this pandemic but popping into the office every few days. My phone is forwarded so call if you need information, 416-843-1371.

Many of the fingerprinting companies in Brampton are still open despite the fact we are on "lock-down". VERY IRRESPONSIBLE.

To fingerprint, you have to be up close and personal. And these places are advertising that they are taking precautions, but to risk peoples lives (including other clients who are coming into an office that an infected person came in) is irresponsible.

Rant over. Keep the information flowing!

@Michelle and @John Rogers

Thanks for all you do here.
Please keep us informed of any new developments you come across pertaining to waivers. I'm sure you'd probably do that anyway.

At any rate stay safe and best to both of you.

@Magnus, I did not know you cannot apply for a passport right now..Thanks for the update..Hope everyone is well and taking care.

One cannot even renew or get a passport now until further notice (unless it’s an absolute dire emergency). Isn’t having a passport necessary for filing a waiver application? Yes I know that process is currently shut down as well.